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~didja just pitch up from mars? ([info]sherlock) wrote,
@ 2009-09-28 18:24:00

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Colour Settings

Colour Settings and Why Icon Makers Should Care



Sam ([info]kavalier) and I have completed some exhaustive Mac vs PC, Photoshop Elements vs Photoshop CS4 vs PaintshopPro research and have discovered something about colour profiles. The following information is super important for PC icon makers to keep in mind, since you won't be able to see when something comes out with a messed up colour profile, but those on macs will be able to see it.

**NOTE** MacBook OS X Leopard is what Sam is using. According to [info]splott, her MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard doesn't show a difference.

As far as we can tell, none of these problems come into play using Paintshop Pro!



Problem 1: JPEGs look different on macs and PCs if there are embedded colour profiles

  

If you have a PC, firefox makes these two look the same [this is what it looks like on a mac, PCers], but if you have a mac, the left should look more saturated.

The left icon has a preserved colour profile whereas the right does not. The right icon is how the icon is supposed to look.


Solution: Do not embed colour profiles (DESELECT ICC profile)

If you Save for Web (Photoshop or Elements):



If you Save As (Photoshop or Elements):





Problem 2: Icons made by a mac look really red on a PC and icons made on a PC look really yellow on a mac

Solution (from [info]kavalier): The default Mac color settings on monitors is different than the typical graphics default. To change your monitor settings to match those on most PCs and the internet graphics profile:

Apple --> System Preferences --> Displays --> Color --> Calibrate --> Continue until you get to 'Select a Target Gamma' --> 2.2 Television Gamma --> Continue on and save


Problem 3: When I go to Save For Web, my icons come out desaturated!

Solution: The problem occurs usually on a mac, but sometimes on a PC if your colour settings are not matched up to what the necessary web-colour profile is. Sometimes you can get around this if you're using PNG-24s, but not always.

In Photoshop Elements

Edit --> Color Settings




In Photoshop CS4

Edit --> Color settings




Problem 4: PNGs look hypersaturated on Macs but not on PCs. This is an effect of Photoshop Elements, from what we've been able to tell, and results from using Save As to save your PNGs. Make sure your color settings are set as "no management" and use Use Save for Web instead of Save As and the problem is solved.

Original (colours preserved using Save For Web):


When using Save As:


(Both will look the same on a PC [this is what it looks like on a mac, PCers], and Sam wants it to be known that she did the first intentionally less saturated to show the difference)


Not a problem but -- JPGs vs PNGs

It's my (Em's) personal opinion that JPGs are better than PNGs for banner making. A lot of the time PNGs are used to retain "true colour" but at a huge cost to file size. Banners that could be 1-200kb come out at 600+kb which can be a pain in the ass in terms of layouts and userinfos. If your colour profiles are correct, then saving a JPG at 90% quality will have a drastic impact on picture size without forfeiting any of the colour quality. My 2 cents!

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[info]rainbowling
2009-09-29 02:16 am UTC (link)
Regarding problem 2 - what is the difference between using sRGB IEC6 and a calibrated Color LCD on a Mac? (see: http://hello-from-dis.insanejournal.com/131900.html?thread=2416444#t2416444)

I mean, obviously there is a visual difference, but as you can see, [info]bugsy says the Color LCD is similar to a Windows machine. And honestly, that blue of sRGB IEC6 is intense and not something I can get used to.

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[info]kavalier
2009-09-29 02:23 am UTC (link)
Actually THIS makes sense and I'm going to try it out -- the television one is the one that looked like it would would be compatible (and not as blue as the sRGB one -- I personally am finding that after switching, I love the soft yellow of the regular Color LCD settings). When Em gets back from the post office, we'll check it out and see if it makes much of a difference.

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 02:46 am UTC (link)
I do not know! When Sam is out of the shower I'll check (I know nothing about Mac whatsies)

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 03:29 am UTC (link)
According to Sam she likes that better, so I'll just link to that :)

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[info]rainbowling
2009-09-29 03:30 am UTC (link)
Sweeeet. I like it better too.

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[info]rainbowling
2009-09-29 02:18 am UTC (link)
Also, you say Sam is on OSX, but Snow Leopard is also OSX. Is she Panther, Tiger, Leopard...?

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[info]kavalier
2009-09-29 02:21 am UTC (link)
Leopard, sorry.

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[info]briankinney
2009-09-29 02:59 am UTC (link)
You so beat me to this question, fellow Macling.

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[info]nott
2009-09-29 03:00 am UTC (link)
SORRY THAT'S JUST WHAT SHE TOLD ME

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[info]rainbowling
2009-09-29 03:02 am UTC (link)
macs and ps and colors? I am all over this shit.

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[info]briankinney
2009-09-29 03:02 am UTC (link)
Incidentally, Em, Leopard is 10.5 and Snow Leopard is 10.6, if that's less confusing.

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[info]briankinney
2009-09-29 03:04 am UTC (link)
PS THEY ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF BIG CATS EVENTUALLY

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[info]rainbowling
2009-09-29 03:15 am UTC (link)
LYNX, COUGAR, SIMBA

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[info]briankinney
2009-09-29 03:18 am UTC (link)
LMAO SIMBA FTW

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[info]kavalier
2009-09-29 04:26 am UTC (link)
I think there also needs to be a Mufasa. Maybe instead of the happy Mac sound when you start up the computer, they can play the sound bite from this.

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[info]celebpolice
2009-10-03 12:54 pm UTC (link)
i'm sorry this is the celeb police and after conducting a thorough background investigation we have infiltrated your domain via your friends page and found you to be in violation of the almighty celeb code. please go directly to eyebrow jail and do not pass go or collect $200.

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[info]rainbowling
2009-10-03 04:04 pm UTC (link)
what the crap?

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[info]fabian
2009-10-03 09:06 pm UTC (link)
ITS THE CELEB POLICE~~~~~~~~

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[info]rainbowling
2009-10-03 09:14 pm UTC (link)
IDGI. WE DON'T DO CELEB RP.

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 03:04 am UTC (link)
ty, lmfao if there is ever an OS polar bear I may have to buy a mac

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[info]briankinney
2009-09-29 03:04 am UTC (link)
ommmg I am so nominating it, what is a bear called in scientific words

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 03:08 am UTC (link)
Bears are Ursidae, polar bears are Ursus maritimus

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[info]briankinney
2009-09-29 03:11 am UTC (link)
http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/s/snow_for_mac_os_x-106697-1.jpeg LOOK A SNOWY POLAR APP

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 03:12 am UTC (link)
:DDDD ILU

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[info]bilo
2009-09-29 05:09 am UTC (link)
...I have a mac, and they look the same on my computer. xD

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 05:11 am UTC (link)
If you have snow leopard that may be why!

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[info]bilo
2009-09-29 05:15 am UTC (link)
xD I don't. I don't think. I don't even know what that is, but Google says it's 10.6 and mine is 10.5.4. WHY AM I DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER KIDS, EM? D:

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 05:16 am UTC (link)
I don't knowwwwwwwwwwwwww I know nothing about macs at all D: except that they infuriate me

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 05:17 am UTC (link)
AUUUUUUUUUGH AND I JUST FELL DOWN THE PIT IN MYST, FML.

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[info]bilo
2009-09-29 05:27 am UTC (link)
I thought you actually fell down a pit and I was very concerned for a moment.

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 05:29 am UTC (link)
Sadly, you know that if I fell down a huge pit the first thing I'd do is blog about it!

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[info]bilo
2009-09-29 05:30 am UTC (link)
Well actually that was one of the things that concerned me. I was sort of like "Em, first of all, if there is a pit in your house, online is not where you should be."

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-29 05:33 am UTC (link)
MY HOUSE IT IS FALLING INTO THE ETHER~

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[info]kavalier
2009-09-29 06:23 am UTC (link)
I have 10.5.8, so maybe it's just my computer or some setting that's on one of ours that's making it show up that way. Em can back me up that it's pretty trippy to look back and forth between them, though. :x

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[info]edmee
2009-09-29 12:31 pm UTC (link)
This was super interesting. Big head nod to you and Sam.

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[info]chalk
2009-09-30 04:23 am UTC (link)
I suggest posting a link to this on [info]rp_tutorials. It's really helpful.

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-30 04:26 am UTC (link)
Thanks! I will :D

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[info]chalk
2009-09-30 04:31 am UTC (link)
♥ ty bb! :D I'd be a bad mod if I didn't occasionally try and pimp it.

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-30 04:33 am UTC (link)
It's such a great resource! I only recently realised it existed but I am going to peruse it more often :D

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[info]karibean
2009-09-30 06:35 am UTC (link)
It also looks the same on my Mac, and I haven't installed Snow Leopard yet (so am still running Firefox on Leopard). Is it possible that it's people's settings that are off, and not the Firefox/Leopard combo itself? (And wow, that sounds like some weird furry pairing or something.)

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[info]sherlock
2009-09-30 06:37 am UTC (link)
I honestly don't know. Many of the people I've asked with macs can see the difference, but I have absolutely no idea what the cause is. I am unsure what sort of settings would allow you to see an embedded profile vs non-embedded, but it seems safe to say that making icons without the embedded profile is the safest route, regardless.

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[info]anarchy
2009-10-01 01:16 pm UTC (link)
This post needs more boobs.



There, I feel better now.

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[info]beautyfrompain
2009-10-11 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much for this, I've been frustrated for a long time trying to figure out how to get the colors to match!!

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